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Why I'm Atheist Part I

Sat Dec 3, 2005, 3:24 PM
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation an analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.

-Buddha


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Ok, After taking in all of the ideas of religion I could find and have learned, and of course the obviously predominant one in america, (christianity) I came to one glaring answer: its just too illogical. I couldn't grasp or believe the idea that there could be a god more powerful than us as humans, that would put us on his created earth, without personally revealing himself to his creation and then expect us to take the WORD of previous generations and our own as any basis. The idea that there is something out there that would rather see some of its own creations be damned to eternal torture for not believing in a god unseen when this supposed god could easily make itself personally known to the world is cruel and ridiculous.
Now about christianity personally... It is entirely based on a book that was written approximately 1950+ years ago. (The large majority of the bible is believed to have been written and collected approximately 50 years after christ's death, I have to say, that is one good memory to remember a whole books worth of quotes word for word...) Ok, the basic logic for god goes something like this. They believe that god is real because it says so in the bible, and the bible is true and correct because it is written by a god described in that bible. They are trying to claim truth using each other as evidence.
In the bible, it is said that god is infallible, or never wrong. To be never wrong, you have to be all-knowing, and it is also said that the bible is the word of god. So why are there mistakes? Why so many contradictions? Why so many truly inconceivable stories? Why are there things left out that are clearly in Earth’s history? Do you honestly believe that god would allow his creations change his word or let it get lost in interpretation? Why isn't their magic book of god that is so unexplainably perfect there is no question of god? Doesn't that go against the all-powerful all-knowing aspect? Instead people are forced and/or convinced that these stories demand a level of interpretation. (Note however, that when it was written, no interpretation was necessary because people didn't know how impossible these stories were...)

How come dinosaurs aren’t clearly noted in the bible? Surely god knew about them, and being all-knowing, he surely knew that some day humans would find the fossils and question it. Don’t try to use the “Satan put them there to try to sway us” excuse. Why would god let satan do that? Don’t you think that god should have more power than satan and would be able to counter-act such a plan? And genesis, what the heck is that? To say god “formed man of the dust of the ground,” is laughable at best. First, why would he need to use anything? Why all of a sudden did god need to use a base for a creation? Then to go on and say that Eve was made from Adam’s “dusty” rib, she must have been boney, about 7" tall, and all bent over. The reasoning that some Christians use to explain this is that its a metaphor for science because of the elements in our bodies and in the "dust" are the same. A nice thought, except for the fact that our bodies are at least 70% water...(hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus) Just like with the bible, science isn't something you can pick and choose facts from, and then ignore things science has proven. *Cough*(Evolution) Of course, to say that you accept evolution would be against the bible. (For it says in the bible, god created man, then beast..." etc, not god created a pool of water that grew into man and beast through many years) There is also no way to say that humans didn’t evolve and the other animals did, for those that try to say that... for two reasons: One, evolution only makes a species better adapted to their environment, and humans would adapt because there is no way we are perfect, and Two, it clearly says in genesis that god “formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air…” Where does that leave an opening for evolution? Another thing, the bible says god created man directly (Created man in god's image), and with no evolution, how can there be so many deviations and varieties in the human race? What is god, a patchwork quilt? Besides the evolution reason, Why, if god is trying to save us, and not trying to make it harder to believe him, then why does he fill the book that is the only basis for belief in him with riddles and metaphors? Why should we need to interpret gods word, why didn't he just write the complete undeniable truth? (...because man was the original sole author, not god. If god told man to write it, he would have told him right.) Besides that, the book has gone through so many changes and languages that it is definitely different than it was. (Though does that stop the religious from calling it the direct word of god? Not hardly.) Why would god spend so much time getting it right the first time when he knew (being infalliable) that it would get twisted up in the future? Wouldn't he fix it with his limitless power?

Now back to the section that denotes man was “created in our image…” I’ll just pretend that it doesn’t say “our” right there, because that just throws things all out of wack…. Ok, so we are in his image, and god is supposedly perfect, so why aren’t we? I’m not talking about what we chose to do that is wrong, I am talking about physically, why aren’t we? Take for example, hiccups. It would be really handy if they actually worked when you were choking, but do they? No. And every time I spill something, drop something, stumble, fall, forget, miscalculate, make a wrong decision, get a back ache, get sick, every time my brain, nervous system, or body malfunctions, it is proof that I, as a human, am a bad design. Back problems, tooth decay, allergies, asthma, arthritis, epileptic fits, migraines, diabetes, cancer... all of these natural diseases, being natural, must be created by god. Why?

Which leads me to another point, if you happen to believe that life is so complex that it had to be created from a higher power, then where did god himself originate? It says in the bible that there is no other than god himself. So how can he exist? Where did he come from? (Being at least as complex as we are, as we are created in his image.) How could he have just 'always been' ?

Ok, now here's a mistake in the bible, these get me every time, I can’t get how there are such obvious mistakes in god’s infallible book. It first says that God created animals and then man (1:25-26), then right on the opposite page says God first created man then the animals (2:18-19). Now there are plenty of these throughout the book, but Im not going to make the 4 page list of them all here.


This journal is split into two journal entries in order to maintain organization on my main page.



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WHY I'm atheist Part II




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:iconkamikazekyle:
while i have no problem with athiests i would like to point out a few errors in your journal..

1. the bible was not written 50 years after jesus' death it was compiled 50 years after his death

most of the books (the ones with names of people matt mark luke john blah blah) were written during the guys life time. the 12 appostles each had there own book if i am not mistaken... but for this argument we will leave them out.... that leaves Ruth and a few others... these books were written by there respective author and then "catalouged" affter the apostles created there books they decided to take the OTHER books and put them together to make one big ass book.

2.ya really cant say the BIBLE was written by god.

it really depends on what version of the bible you are reading... the the new king james version (most widely accepted version) your are right there may be a few erros such as which came first man or the critter. but before the gutenberg printing press each book had to be hand coppied. so..... as each book was coppied.... and coppied... and coppied... i wouldnt doubt that there might be some errors in it...

3. "god formed man and animal from the dust and ground..." its just there way of saying.... he made all critters out of nothing....

again.... im not defending christianity.... i have my issues with the religon as well.... i just have a problem with people not thinking things ALL the way through.... not that your dumb or anything... ya just cant dive right into the argument and say its wrong and this is why.... ya gotta do your research first.... and that means researching both sides of the argument
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in the "good news" version of the bible.... in genisis.... it states that go created cyclopses and other mythical creatures..... and then decided to destoy them because he felt he screwed up......

botom line when it comes to analysing written books or religions.....

its just a bunch of stories made to help guide your life on the "good" path.... not ment to be taken word for word..... if that was the case then every parent in the word would be beating there children with sticks (spare the rod and spoil the child)

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:iconkamikazekyle:
again im not defending christianity.... i still have some problems with there beliefs and ideals.... i just dont like it when people jump into an argument ready to shoot down every idea or theory.... those are the mids that zelots come from.... and zelots and dinks....

all im saying is... when you present an argument you sould research both sides and not just accept one source... you should have quite a few sources..... dont just read what the text says and say its wrong.... try to understand what the text is saying and then SEE if its wrong

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:iconex624angel:
well... Im not an expert on christianity........ I dont know how to answer all of your quesions.. but I am Christian and I DO believe in God not because my mamma told me to but because I believe it on my own. The bible was written a really really long time ago.... the old testament was written in one language and the new test. was written in another (I forget wich ones ^^;) anyway.... the supposedly best translated and explainable version of the bible is the King James Version. Im sure there are a few errors here and there. But nothing too big.

I think that the reason God didn't keep Adam and Eve from commiting a sin is because he didn't want to tamper with Free Will. He already told them once not to eat the fruit from that darned tree.

God created us in his own image, but I believe we have all adapted according to where we havew lived and how we lived... we do all look similiar.. we are all the same species... humans... right?

no we're not perfect... God made us in his own image not in his own perfection. THe thing you cant understand is because Gods knowledge is beyond human comprehension. We cant believe something that doesnt go along with what seems impossible. No one created God... he has allways been there. He didn't start. He just it. was. and allways will be. Yes that seems wierd and hard to understand. But God doesnt tell us everything.

Also... your not supposed to try and make your own interpretation of the bible. God is right out telling you what he wants yuo to know, you cant decide for your self what hes saying. The bible isn't supposed to be taken literally, becaue in almost every verse theres a meaning to it more than just what you see. People go to school all heir life to take verses word by word... figuring out what GOD meant by it.

Im not gonna try and think and type anymore... X3 I have athiest friends, I dont try to change them.... Im not trying to change you or anything ^^; Im just saying what Im thinking.... if it doesnt make sense... thats ok... I dont make sense most of the time...

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:iconinsanemilkman666:
I'm not trying to personally attack you, but I think your stance in this debate with *pureatheism is a bit weak. I'll refer to your comment about when the bible was written.

"the bible was not written 50 years after Jesus' death it was compiled 50 years after his death"

Simply stating that he may have exaggerated how much time passed between when Jesus died and when the new testament was written does not support your side of the debate, nor does it detract from his point. The new testament, or rather those books collected therein that pertain to life of Jesus, was predominantly written after his death. This, even Christians agree upon because it explains why different books have similar, but slightly different versions of the same events.

Take the sermon on the mount. In one account Jesus walks up the mountain and delivers his speech to a crowd below, in another he is depicted coming down from the mountain to deliver the same speech. Also, most religious scholars will agree that the sermon on the mount is actually a collection of previous individual speeches, combined in this setting as a literary device to consolidate many of the common teachings of Jesus into one clean package.

I believe this is what he was trying to point out. You simply can not rely on the bible as a factual account. It's a piece of literature that has been edited, composed, and written in a way that is easy for the general public to understand. Because of this, it is not to be held as absolute.

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:iconkamikazekyle:
hey well im not defending the christian point of veiw... im just saying... if your going to make a thesis paper... ya gotta write it accurately.... ya never know if what you say will become the building blocks for some revolutionary paper that proves or DISPROVES the bible

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Why I'm an Atheist?

I could make theological arguments all day, but really the simplest reason is that I find the idea of God to be just plain ridiculous. My disbelief in God is purely just that, a belief that he does not exist. Period. If belief and faith are enough for the Christians to use, ..well.. Right back atcha. If anyone else wants to be delusional about it, feel free. I'll live in reality.

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:iconpureatheism:
Im not sure that makes any sense, did you read what I wrote at all? Just curious. It seems we have a lot of the same ideas about it.

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:iconeldanno2004:
".... the supposedly best translated and explainable version of the bible is the King James Version. Im sure there are a few errors here and there. But nothing too big."

Ive been raised Catholic myself, and this is exactly why i think that most Catholics believe in this religion. Because of a lack of questioning. They take a book that was written thousands of years ago, in a dead language, translated hundreds of times as the basis for thier belief. I know im generalizing to a severe degree right now, but deal with the point that that is true for the majority of the Catholics ive ever met - including the priest who raped little boys one day and then took me and my brothers and cousins on our class trips. The same priest that was hidden by this fantastic organization in my community because he had DONE IT BEFORE. But thats another point altogether. I digress. Back to the original point in this post.

The lack of questioning. If the book that you base your belief in has errors that you yourself see and aknowledge, why would you believe that the rest of the book has to be right. Maybe im a perfectionist to a point - but i see one error, i start looking for others. There have got to be errors. It was written by man for goodness sake. And again, in a language that is no longer used. A little experiement to illustrate why i think the translation is such an important point. Go to [link] and type in anything. Any phrase you want. Make it as complex as you want or as simple as you want. Pick a language. Translate that from English to that language. Now, take the translated text, and translate that from the language you chose to English. Im positive youll see a slight difference in what your original text was, and what the result is. Now. Do that 15 times.

There youll have the Bible.

I am all for believing in something that makes you happy. But the Christianity just doesnt make sense as a choice if you give it some thought and explore other religions. Or even, not choosing one religion - just live your life to the fullest, treating everyone you meet along the way with love and respect. That is afterall, the basis to most tolerated religions, is it not? Would it be that hard - to do that without any known or implied reward. Such as heavan? or a punishment? such as hell? To just do it because its the right thing to do. I dont know. Going out on a limb.

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